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harry reid warned it will be tough to reach a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff before christmas. we all note deadline, december 31. take a look at how we're finishing the day. the dow jones industrial average up about 80 points today. it was higher, much higher than 100 points earlier today, up two-thirds of 1%. volume on the light side this afternoon. nasdaq composite picked it up. technology up better than 1%. s&p 500 also on the upswing. markets maintaining steady gains all day long. david kudlow and bob pisani and barbara from the street. welcome to all of you. what about coming off the best levels? >> hitting search-week highs. 13,245 is where we ended the night of election and waiting for it to settle out. 13,248, so we are exactly where we were when the elections closed. i think the important thing is as long as there is some indication that they are talking the markets are holding up very well. i think the concern is after a deal happens, i think we'll have it, what will happen after, that and a lot of people are worried now that austerity is coming. that's a negative for stocks
on msnbc. >>> all right, less than three weeks to go until that so-called fiscal cliff, and still no deal. but this morning, there are signs of some movement in negotiations. president obama and house speaker john boehner did speak by phone last night. that conversation came after the president offered to reduce his initial request for $1.6 trillion in new revenue to $1.4 trillion but is reportedly not backing down on raising taxes for the top 2%. boehner's spokesman said republicans are still seeking further concessions on spending cuts. >>> well, there are some new details this morning on that london nurse who took her own life after passing through a prank call at the hospital that was treating kate middleton for extreme morning sickness. jacintha saldanha's family reveals that she left a suicide note, though they haven't released details of what that note said. earlier this week, the two deejays who made the call said the tragedy has left them shattered, gutted and heartbroken. >>> now, here's your first look at this morning's "dish of scrambled politics." mitt romney wasn't the only
on a fiscal cliff deal. meanwhile, the president said he's confident republicans will cave on the tax increases. we'll discuss the fiscal cliff with our "morning joe" panel. >>> and now, mercifully, i need your help. are you with me on this one? the phrase fiscal cliff, i'm over it, time's up, date reached on the expiration, nails on the chalkboard annoying. can't we be a little more creative? this is where you come in. e-mail your alternative to the phrase "fiscal cliff," and i'll use the best one tomorrow on our show. we won't use fiscal cliff, i promise. so far, my best, budgetary bluff? yeah, the bar's been set very low. >>> up next, we'll huddle around the water cooler, where jon stewart stepped out of his comfort zone with an eminem-inspired rap for the michigan protesters. >>> well, enough with the real news. let's gather around the water cooler. and first, a little moment of silence. louis louis, who wouldn't miss a second of on-camera opportunity has been talking to the porcelain god all night. not sure why. we wish you the best, louis. see you tomorrow morning. >>> well, a d
on the on the missile that perhaps we are nearing a fiscal cliff deal. coming up we'll, find out from key lawmakers in the fiscal cliff negotiations how we can actually get a deal done before the deadline. representative chris van hollen, lynn jenkins and javier becerra as well as sore orrin hatch with us. we'll hear from former treasury secretary altman and jeff greenfield. bill? >> stocks are trading off the highs of the day with less than an hour to go. final hour, really from the get-go. optimism about the cliff talks and senator harry reid made some comments this afternoon that put a damper on that real. we've lost about 30 points. in that time. up 74 on the dow at 13,244. the nasdaq is doing well today, up 32 points. more than a 1% gain, although it is off its highs of the day at 3019, and the s&p 500 index is 8 plus points at 1426. the word on the street is because of the fiscal cliff, some investors are actually selling the winners, the winning stocks, and they are holding on to the poor performers, the opposite what have they have been doing the last few years. maria? >> makes a lot of sen
whatever deal they reach they have to get the votes for, and that's just the beginning. this fiscal cliff deal if they reach one it's just the beginning of deal making because it's not going to solve the problem. there is going to be more talks going into 2013 on tax reform and dealing with the deficit further. >> reporter: bob cusack thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. jon: let's talk a little bit more about the pickle that house speaker john boehner is in. he's struggling to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. he's facing growing criticism from members of his own party, the speaker removing four conservative congressman from key committees, the move seen by some as a way to close ranks over a potential fiscal cliff deal with the white house. outside conservative groups are voicing their displeasure saying speaker john boehner could even lose his speakership. carl cameron joins us live in washington. so he has a lot of problems with conservatives right now, car. >> reporter: sure it's not just off the hill. some of the members on the hill. fiscal conservative
spark when it came to negotiating a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, which is the christmas present the country needs. today we heard president obama's response to the proposal that house speaker john boehner put on the table yesterday. >> the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> of out of balance. kind of similar to what republicans said last week when the president sent over his terms. so now what? will they sit down and talk it through? well, not according to at least one senior republican aide who told cnn today, no conversations today, no e-mails, tweets, carrier pigeons. as for boehner and obama, they actually did see each other in person at the white house holiday party last night in black tie. while other lawmakers waited in line to get the photo with the president, multiple sources from both sides of the aisle tell cnn that boehner wasn't among them. so much for holiday cheer. we have this picture. we're wait fworg the day there's a fiscal cliff. there wasn't total silence in washington today. senate majority leader harry reid spoke up. but in his case,
frame necessary to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. it's wednesday, december 12th, and this is "now." >>> joining me today, msnbc contributor and political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post," sam stein holding it down stag style. jane mayer from "the new yorker" is here. bbc world news america anchor and former traveling press secretary for the obama campaign jen socky. this is the speed of the fiscal cliff negotiations. blink and you just might miss exactly nothing. while talks between speaker boehner and president obama over the past three days have been shrouded in secrecy, we've learned there have been two offers put on the table. the white house sent boehner a proposal on monday calling for $1.4 trillion in tax revenue, $200 billion less than the original offer. might that seal the deal? >> the president's called for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue. that cannot pass the house or the senate. >> okay then. the speaker's office responded with a deal of its own. yesterday it included precisely the same amount of revenue from the original proposal, $800 bi
can't see the light when it comes to the fiscal cliff. 28 days to go. what will it take to get a deal? >>> plus, the stern warning for syria from nato. the use of chemical weapons will bring an immediate reaction from the international community. we ask our panel if the united states will go to war. >>> and a new hollywood movie about the hunt for osama bin laden sparks oscar buzz and outrage. questions over just how much confidential information the film makers had access to. an "outfront" investigation. let's go "outfront." ♪ >>> good evening, everyone, i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, let there be light. finally, some bulbs turned on in washington this evening. well, on the congressional christmas tree, that is. pretty beautiful. lights, love, camaraderie, song. but while our lawmakers took some time to celebrate together, they still weren't showing any spark when it came to negotiating a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, which is the christmas present the country needs. today we heard president obama's response to the proposal that house speaker john boehner put on the table
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're not going off this fiscal cliff. >> representative, the question might be, how do we get to that deal? as we mentioned earlier, the "new york times" reporting that negotiations are now down to just the speaker. >> yes. >> and the president. this is at speaker boehner's request. i want to get your reaction. here's david axelrod talking about the politics behind all of this. >> okay. >> both the president and the speaker are very fluent in the basic numbers. they have been living with them for some time now. so as i said, i don't think that there's a lot of mystery about this. the politics has to be traverse. they've got to get through the rocky shoals of grover norquist. >> congresswoman, some democrats are saying that this is not the situation, it's not going to be mano, as we've been saying. what do you know about that in terms of how they are negotiating and is it the best for them to be one on one? >> well, i think it does not hurt for them to be one on one. i have to be concerned about what the leaders are saying about being excluded. but if we take this moment and if this is what they h
is fretting about the fiscal cliff. until we get a deal. i got more negative when harry reid said it is unlikely that a deal will be done by christmas. i'm thrilled to have senator john hovan, a republican from north dakota who has been an advocate for bipartisan consensus here with us tonight. welcome back to "mad money." >> jim, good to be with you. >> i noticed that you are for a bipartisan situation and one of the things that tells me you are for real is that you have not signed a pledge that would make it so that you can't vote for a tax increase. it should be a big deal on the order of four trillion dollars over ten years. that's what we need to get growth in our economy and the kind of deal that includes tax reform, entitlement reform and better spending control. >> when you were governor of your state you presided over what i think is the single greatest employment boom we've seen. is washington so different that you wish you were back home? >> you have been out to north dakota, you're invited back, but you are right. the fundamentals don't change. let's build that good bu
rock in new york city. >>> the effort to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff is now a two-man operation. president obama and speaker boehner. thank you. nobody else will be in the room. with 24 days before a year-end deadline, "the new york times" says boehner made the request to clear the negotiation room going forward, leaving it up to himself and the president to reach a deal to avoid automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts. and while the two men may be negotiating privately, yesterday the president took his mess dwrooj the public, visiting a local virginia family as a part of his social media campaign. while sitting around the kitchen table, he told the family he felt optimistic. >> the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is this is a solvable problem. the senate has already passed a bill that would make sure the middle class taxes do not go up next year by a single dime. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%, but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done
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we could do is go over the fiscal cliff. we have the same tax rates that we have when bill clinton was president. significant cuts in defense and also significant human services can you tell us. >> katie, let me ask you, before you respond to what governor dean is saying. there is logic to what howard dean is saying. i don't happen to agree with it. but i know where he's coming from. katie, let me ask you this -- katie can't hear me. we'll wait for her to get back hooked in. howard, what about the notion that i'm posing tonight -- i've said this a few times -- republicans better be careful. they're not going down your road and the democrats aren't going down your road. you have middle class tax cuts for the democrats and it sometimes sounds to me as an old reagan conservative that the republicans better watch themselves because sometimes it sounds like they are kind of defending rich people. that's their whole mantra, just defending rich people. and i think that's not where they should be. >> i would agree. if i were politically advising the republicans, which i'm certainly not, i
say, mano a mano. whatever. the effort to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff is now a two-man operation. interesting. president obama and speaker boehner. nobody else. with 24 days before a year-end deadline, "the new york times" says boehner made the request to clear the negotiation room going forward, leaving it up to himself and the president to reach a deal to avoid automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts. and while the two men may be negotiating privately, yesterday the president took his message to the public, visiting a local virginia family as a part of his my2k social media campaign, sitting around the kitchen table. he told the family he was optimistic. >> the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is, this is a solvable problem. the senate has already passed a bill that would make sure the middle-class taxes don't go up next year by a single dime. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for fam
of the deal to head off -- to stop us from going off the fiscal cliff. they said by the way we need to raise the debt limit and this new proposal of eliminating congress from the process of raising the debt limit. >> senator mcconnell has offered to have an up or down vote on this and democrats haven't taken him up on it. all of the spending reductions that simon cited in the 1990s were tied to the debt limit increase. it gives republicans leverage. president obama has the leverage in the fiscal cliff fight. he's willing to let the tax go up on the middle class. on the debt increase he doesn't have the same leverage. bob woodward pointed out that tim geithner said to president obama if the republicans stick to their guns on the debt limit bill you cannot reto it. the consequences will be so clam to us that you cannot veto it. so obama would have capitulated. megyn: that's what simon is saying now. that we shouldn't put the country in that position. >> the only way we'll get action on this debt. we keep spending and spending and raising our debt by $6 trillion every obama term. that's what ca
on this fiscal cliff which has automatic tax hikes and spending cuts as of january one, they are trying to avert that. he says any deal on this must include an end to the debt ceiling all together. he wants complete power to raise the country's limit by himself. he doesn't want to have to get congressional approval. that is a demand stirring strong response from republicans today. >> the on way we ever cut spending is by using the debate over the debt limit to do it. now the president wants to remove that spur to cut all together. of course, it gets in the way of his spending plans. i can assure you it one happen. the american people want washington to get spending under control and the debt limit is the best tool we have to make the president take that demand seriously. the american people want us to fight to cut spending. it's a fight they deserve and a fight we are happy to have. >> joining me now, simon rosenberg. and mark theisen. guys, welcome. simon, let me start with you on this. we did have some democrats come on the show and say no, the president doesn't get to just decide when to rais
go over the fiscal cliff and taxes go up for everyone. >> if there is in deal do you blame the republicans for ruining christmas? >>governor huckabee: the grinch that stole christmas they are called republicans. the media will spend this as the republicans will not come to the table but the republicans came to the table. they brought out $800 billion of taxes. what did they get in nothing. they got balloon juice because the democrats said here is the deal. we will thing about some cuts. we are not sure when or how much or where but we will get back to you. you go lady and raise the taxes. people if the republican party can tut go for that although they will get blamed for the disaster and the train wreck this is coming. >>neil: i tell people to look at coverage and say, did you wonder why republicans are obstinate wanting to hike taxes more, but, democrats are not when they don't want to cut spending? i say you go with the republicans on the tax thing it should be more and should be raised or should be this, fine, then apply the same standard to democrats when it comes to s
on the so-called fiscal cliff before christmas will be difficult, as house republicans have not offered any detailed proposals. his remarks are just over five minutes. >> i am sorry. start over again. speaker boehner said he is waiting on president obama to outline spending cuts. this is a kind of strange thing for the speaker to say. president obama outlined very specific cuts in his proposal to the republicans. republicans have not offered anything specific in cuts whatsoever. of course, nothing specific in revenue whatsoever. all generalizations. the republicans want more spending cuts. tell us what you want. that is what i say to them. we cannot read their minds. we are not going to make a proposal for them. republicans know perfectly well that democrats are willing to make tough choices on these issues, if they understand, which i hoped they do by now, we are going to look out for the middle class first. the only thing standing in the way of an agreement is republicans, their insistence on holding tax cuts for middle- class families hostage to bring on the fiscal cliff. there is a lot
and congress can't make a deal on the so-called fiscal cliff. a source of great concern for so many people, everyone's taxes will go up, will go up if there's no deal. let's go live to our white house correspondent dan lothian. he's on the scene for us over at the white house. how did it go, dan? >> reporter: well, wolf, we've seen the president do this before in the past whenever he's locked in negotiations with lawmakers. he heads out on the road, either goes to a backyard or sits down around a dinner table to put pressure on congress. that's what he did today when he went to falls church sitting down with the santana family. their parents who also are employed live in the household with them. so if taxes do go up on middle class americans, the overall hit on that household will be $4,000. so they're very concerned, but they were quite happy. they said it isn't every day that the president comes by and hangs out at your house. the message the president was trying to drive home today was aimed directly at congress and using this backdrop to tell a personal story. >> for them to be burdene
briefing, that reaching a deal on the fiscal cliff before christmas would be difficult. this is 10 minutes. >> speaker boehner said he'd waiting on president obecause mo -- obama to outline the spending cuts. that's a strange thing for the speaker to say. president obama outlined specific cuts in his proposal to the republicans. while republicans have not offered anything specific in cuts whatsoever, and of course nothing specific in revenue whatsoever. all generalizations. the republicans want more spending cuts, tell us what you want. that's what i say to them. we can't read their minds. we're not going to make the proposal for them. republicans know perfectly well that democrats are willing to make tough choices on these issues, if in fact they understand, which i hope they do by now, that we're going to look out for the middle class first. the only thing standing in the way of an agreement is republicans. their insistence on holding tax cuts for middle class families hostage to the fiscal cliff. there's a lot of bluster coming from republicans but that facade is crumbling quickly. ever
until our economy falls off the tax and fiscal cliff. just where do we stand on a deal coming out of washington, d.c.? cnbc correspondent joins us with all the details. >> reporter: as you know the white house's strategy since the election has been to break republican resistance on two issues. one is tax rates and one is an increase in the debt limit. he hasn't succeeded or budged off that attempt so far which is why john boehner came out in a news conference today and slammed the white house for not being willing to compromise. >> four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counter offer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk or economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> a few hours later you had a slight indication of flexibility from the administration. vice president joe biden was out. he reiterated those two nonnegotiable demands on the part of the administration but said the actual amount of that top rat
. sounds like he will get a deal with the fiscal cliff. that he can go to his base and say here's what i got you. so it sounds like he's going to come out of this latest negotiation strong and so he's going to be able to use that, as you say, use that capital. use that clout to try to get something done and it's very encouraging. you have lindsey graham from south carolina who now probably isn't going to face a primary challenge. because of the demint seat now. working with senator schumer from new york, trying to work this out so if there's any positive repercussions from the demint thing is the fact that lindsey graham might now be more likely to work with schumer graham one of the leaders on this issue and work with the democrats in general to try to get something done. it failed -- the talks failed in 2011. this is another shot. >> bill: well, you know, it is -- it is time for this issue. way pastime. way pastime for this issue. >> use the presidential bully pulpit to get this done. the question is what exactl
issues briefly. one is that fiscal cliff, to is the debt ceiling. three is the so-called big deal that has to be done on our debt and deficit. of fortunately those issues, convoluted, especially in this town. they are distinct. the impact each other but they are distinct. this fiscal cliff is an artificial state. congress came in, said this law expires on this date. they extended it wants. they put in the sequestration. it is a date. all they have to do is extend the date and allow themselves time to discuss the issues. instead they are putting it all into a lame duck session. that is a problem. sometimes it leads to bad policy. the fiscal cliff can have real consequences. cbo has said that it would cause a recession if we were to go off the fiscal cliff. i do not dispute that i do point out that in 1993 when these taxes were first put in, many said they will cause a recession. they did not. the economy is improving on its own right now. and getting some much stronger. the impact of the fiscal cliff, while not something to be encouraged, may not be as bad as many have thought. and
will not play that game. >> tonight, democratic whip steny hoyer gives me the latest fiscal cliff developments and the democratic line on medicare. tom perriello from the center of american progress action fund on how democrats can deal with republicans who can't deal with reality. rubio and ryan reload with a new message for the middle class. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. >> but there is no escaping their own policies. >> we're going to a majority of takers versus makers in america. >> dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz responds tonight. plus, senator barbara boxer on her new plan for national polling place standards. and a new poll shows half of all republicans think the defunct group a.c.o.r.n. stole the election from president obama. >> that's an eye opener. >> i wonder where they ever got that idea? >> you just have to wait and see what happens. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. here is are the latest. republicans are at a stalemate with the white house for debt negotiations. republicans really only have two opti
of the fiscal cliff looming larger as the clock ticks toward the deadline on january 1st. negotiators are trying to hammer out a deal over tax hikes and spending cuts searching for common ground. amid all the back and forth there are signing of a compromise. steve centanni is live in washington. are the two sides any closer together? >> reporter: there are two important signs today. speaker, house speaker john boehner met with president obama at the. we don't know how long they met or exactly what they talked about, but the white house says lines of communication are open and face-to-face meeting is on important. at the same time republicans say they will accept the demands for higher taxes on the wealthy if it goes along with spending cuts entitlements like medicare and social security. listen.... >> a lot of people are putting forth a theory. i think it has merit where you give the president 2% increase he is talking about on the top 2 percent. i am beginning to believe that is the best route for us to take. >> reporter: many other republicans, of course, standing firm against any tax increase
is happening because people have looked over the fiscal cliff and weren't terrified by what they saw. i hope they don't mind government intervention. because they are not going away. i hope that because what i heard in washington today were two sides even though i can tell them that a deal would be done and there would be no vacation without legislation, we'd be in much better shape. i have to tell you, the situation in washington is as discouraging. one after another i started with a too tack. i said let's go there. i said i totally agree the issue of spending not revenues. tell us what you have done to get spending done. did they give you the fellow traveler ideas? no. they attacked the president. each time when i asked for ideas on what to cut. like right now. like every other country in the north does, like pulling back on positions from our army. i got the same response. it is the president's fault. i might have well have been a mannequin. they he want to talk about raising taxes of the rich. but it can't be dismissed as part of the mosaic that will get the government out of the commiss
that those watching at home never mind. the fiscal cliff is bearing down on us. they might settle 0* reece's pieces in the senate cafeteria for a special screening of lincoln. we will keep you posted on these developments. >> stop getting on youtube so you can see "gangnam style." and start using the precious social media skills to go out and sign people up on this baby. three people a week. let it grow. >> did you ever think this is what rome looked like in its final days? it is arguably the best fiscal video i have ever seen. the 81-year-old former debt commission co chair is shaking his money maker in hopes of getting young people engaged in the set issue. since it is teaming up with a group called the can kicks back. nick, were you the can? >> no, that was my colleague, ryan. he got the short stick on that one. >> i don't think so. i would have paid dearly for that spot. your point is what with this wake up young people to help with an issue. you guys really are going to get the bill. >> we know debt is not the sexiest issue for our generation, but it is the most important. that's why
automatic tax increases and spending cuts will send the economy over the fiscal cliff, and around the capitol there's largely the sound of silence as the white house and congress try to work out a deal behind closed doors. the president has no public events on his schedule. and all through the house, not a creature was stirring except, that is, for john boehner, who emerged to gavel the house into session this afternoon after a week's recess with his trademark holiday cheer. >> washington has a spending problem. now, the president doesn't agree with our approach. he's got an obligation to put forward a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress because right now the american people have to be scratching their heads and wondering when is the president going to get serious? >> i'm sorry, i meant his trademark ba ham bug which he's been doling out by the sleigh load. >> there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. we have a debt problem that is out of control. we've got to cut spending. washington has got a spending problem. just more of the same. >> more of the same indeed. a
fear of republicans we cut a deal in the short term on fiscal cliff without any real spending reform or tax reform and won't have enough time or political will to get the real reforms that need to take place and republicans raise taxes and get no spending cuts. >> that's the biggest fear of democrats we don't deal with thi this. >> eugene, we were showing the tape of harry reid. we write, republicans must wise up. the biggest problem the republican party faces is not uninspiring candidates or unsound tactics, it is unpopular ideas. >> good lord, gene, you have just written a column i disagree with even more than jeff gre greenfeld's column. it will be one of the better segments. we can talk about that for five hours. keep reading, i can't wait to hear what's next. >> this reality was brought home in last month's election and playing out in the struggle over how to avoid the fiscal cliff and we will see it again in coming fights of immigration and entitlements and a host of other things. the sad thing is republicans get this stuff so wrong that democrats aren't even forced to go to th
to europe for inspiration and guidance for fiscal policy, taking greece, perhaps, as a standard for dealing with economic and budget crises. the speaker did a charge the president is slow walking the nation to the brink of a fiscal cliff. that is one of the speakers firmest in the strongest statements yet. >> this is in a progress report because there is no progress to report. the white house has wasted another week. there are a lot of things that are possible to put the revenue on the table, but none of it is going to be possible. the president insists on his position. insists on my way or the highway. lou: inconveniently the congressional budget office today reported that the federal deficit is already bulging. the cbo reports for the first two months of fiscal 2013 that number $2,902,000,000,000, $57 billion more than the same two month time span last year. and the labor department today reported the unemployment rate fell to the 77%. good news, the lowest jobless rate in four years. the lower unemployment rate, however, the consequence of the more than 300,000 people who dropped out of
decisions that have to be made, to make sure that we don't over the fiscal cliff, don't shift the burden downward. we understand that there is a shared sacrifice. we ask for flexibility when it comes to programs that are funded by the federal government and federal monies. we need flex ability to be able to determine what is in the best interest of our state. how we can best serve the population. gerri: the truth is the states only have so much flex ability because you have to meet your budget. the federal government doesn't. but i want to show who is in washington. it was scott walker, gary herbert, mark dayton, jack markell. all the leadership of the governors association. what kind of response did you get? we are not passing anything onto you guys. >> the president was very cordial and respectful to the governors. and we believe that we have a stake in this process, and he felt like we could offer some ideas of ways that we could help with savings and efficiencies and state government and federal government also. but he also said that they would have to meet his goals and ideas. leade
these numbers? two, can he use these numbers to bolster his case for a deal on the fiscal cliff? >> the answer first of all, f they were to dahl me i would say don't take a victory lap because it's 7.7% unemployment. if you are under employed or you have stopped looking or don't have a job at all, you don't want to here that this is happy days are here again. >> bill: you he we are moving in the right direction? >> right. >> we have made progress but we have a long way to go. there are too many people out of work. >> the last thing we want to do is as the congressional budget has said if we go over the fiscal cliff, it will increase unemployment to 9%. this is thought the time for the cliff to go into effect. it's why everyone is saying don't do this. long time, too big of a deficit reduction. we need something longer term and more gradual. >> that's his argument. this gives him a lot more ammunition, it seems to me, in dealing with a congress saying this proves that we are moving in the right direction and the worst thing we could do would bring everything to
. >>shepard: it looks like americans are fed up with the fiscal cliff fight. or just turning their backs and paying no attention. a majority now say they want lawmakers to do whatever it takes to reach a deal. a poll shows that 70 percent of people want to see a compromise to fix this mess. that is up from 62 percent last week because they are sick and tired of hearing about it. we are 21 days from the deadline when spending cuts and expiring tax break could tank the economy. president obama met with house of representatives speaker boehner over the weekend. we did not hear anything from either one of them so folks could think a deal is in the works. and now, speaker boehner is pointing the finger at the democrats and harry reid says it will be hard to get anything done before christmas. we will get our shopping done and hold you accountable later. and now, mike, speaker boehner said the meet was friendly but not productive. >>reporter: you get a sense that president obama and speaker boehner get along fine but today boehner hammered the president essentially making the point that if he
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